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you can buy it in a yellow can -- >> what do you call it? sardines and fennel? >> pasta consarde i think is the name of it. so i like that. >> i would have spaghetti -- bolognese. >> that's good. not a bad way to go. the final frontier. shuttle "endeavour" boldly going with no spacecraft has gone before. the streets of los angeles. we're live. >> maybe i could do that. it looks like it's a lot of fun. >> plus, off live interview from space and why it soon may not just be a police for astronauts but as -- a place for astronauts but for people like you. vice presidential faceoff. more like goofy faceoff. >> that's malarkey. >> what were both these guys thinking? and the other debate, the one you won't see anywhere else. two third party candidate snubbed by the establishment here to talk issues and what's
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wrong with the right and the left. >> neither party's addressing them. they're broken. the color of sex. blue states versus red states in the bedroom. who's more fun? break out the wine and candles. those stories, plus -- >> double back -- >> the walking dead. hulk hogan's sex tape, and sean penn and kid rock's rage against the political machine. good evening, everyone, i'm don lemon. thank you very much for joining us. we appreciate it. as we go on the air, we have a developing story to tell you about. we want to get you to the amazing pictures live downtown los angeles. completely dominated by a massive symbol of american innovation, exploration, and triumph in space. there has been a bit of a snag here. as you see, the space shuttle "endeavour" has stopped its journey temporarily through the streets of los angeles. it is still a victory lap, still a victory lap, but there has been a bit of a halt. we're hearing that they're going to have to cut down some trees. it's not far from where it has
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to go, but it has stopped now. it was expected to be getting close, if not there, by 10:00 p.m. eastern. but not so much anymore. we're standing by, waiting. we'll keep these pictures up. nasa is trucking it from lax to its future perm home on display at the california science center. people, thousands lining the route on rooftaps. packed ten deep on the road to get a glimpse of this historic moment. guiding us through this, let's go to our reporters, and we have a special guest. let me introduce him. casey wian has spent the last hours walking alongside "endeavour." john zarrella on a rooftop along the storied parade route. and a special guest especially on this day when we honor "endeavour," leroy child, a nasa astronaut who flew into space and back aboard the very spacecraft. thank you all for joining us, especially you, mr. chow. first to john zarrella.
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what's the holdup here? >> reporter: right now we're looking at four hours behind schedule. and once they get here, we are at an area near a shopping mall that was going to be the second official viewing area. and it should have been here four hours ago. and it's still down in the distance, a ways away from us. what's been the holdup is this entire route today, they have had to go and cut down and move -- not cut down trees, but they've hato trim trees back on both sides of the vehicle. all along the route. they've run into a much more difficult chore than they ever expected would happen. they even had to pour sand along the road in places to actually allow the vehicle to go up on the curb on that transporter, that system that it's on. it has been far, far more complex and difficult, slowing them well less than the two miles an hour they had expected,
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don. we're waiting here -- don, people have been resilient. many people have been here for seven, eight, maybe nine hours even waiting on this vehicle because they got here this morning, l.a. time. and they are still house floor. >> stand by, john zarrella. casey wian, you're down there with it. is it moving? is it stopped? they had to cut down a tree. did they do it already? >> reporter: yeah. just what john was talking about. we witnessed it a couple of minutes ago. the shuttle, as you see, has started moving again. just behind that wing, you can see that there's a tree it just passed by. behind that was another tree that they actually had to just trim. and some froex wondering what happened with the -- folks are wondering what happened with the measurements. they were supposed to have 70 to 80 feet of clearance across the street and have trees taken out or trimmed to allow room. they can slolam the thing around
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and have narrower passageways that they can get through. we've seen that happen. but clearly they did not anticipate that these trees would be the barrier that they have been. we are told by organizers that the shuttle may not arrive at the california science center until sometime between 2:00 a.m. and 5:00 a.m. local time. maybe not until 5:00 a.m. eastern time tomorrow morning. many, many hours behind schedule. but the good news is, there has been no grand jury -- no damage to the shuttle. they are being careful to make sure the delicate exterior does not get damaged. now that it's dark, the job will become more difficult. >> you took the words out of my mouth. stand by to you, as well. i want to get to dr. leroy chow now as we get the stories developing now. your second mission to space was on board "endeavour."
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tell me what you're feeling right now as you see this, you know, great spaceship headed to retirement and you see there's a snag there. we heard from another astronaut who said, listen, doesn't matter if it gets there on time. no matter how long it takes, they don't want to bruise or damage that shuttle in any way. >> that's right. the most important thing, of course, is to get "endeavour" to her final resting place in good condition. right, i did fly aboard "endeavour" on my second mission in 1996. i did my first two space walks ever in my career out of her air lock. "endeavour" is the last shuttle to be decommissioned and delivered to a museum. this is certainly bittersweet. i watch "endeavour" going on its last journey here with great affection. but it is bittersweet. the shuttles in my opinion were retired too early. they had a lot of life left in them. we could have kept flying them independent of other nations,
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but we are where we are. i'm glad to see shuttles going to go homes. >> you think they were put out of commission too soon? that's interesting. let me play this. this is a good time to bring this in. i spoke with astronaut sonny williams aboard the international space station last week. i talked to her about the privatization of spaceflight and what was going on and if she thought it was good or bad for the future of spaceflight and also for nasa. take a listen. and then you and i will talk about it. >> absolutely. you know, a little competition is really good because it makes people little bit better at what they're doing. and now that we have commercial spacecraft coming in here to do the resupply, nasa can actually concentrate on other stuff going beyond lower earth orbit, making a big rocket to potentially get us back to the moon on to mars, more into exploration. commercial companies coming up
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to the international space station i think is a great idea. >> she's saying it's a great idea. are you saying that you believe the shuttles could he been part of this? >> oh, absolutely. there's no conflict. i absolutely agree. i think it's a great idea to have commercial companies give them a chance to succeed. as you know, i was a member of the review of u.s. human spaceflight plans committee three years ago. we put forward the commercial as a sub option to several of the option paths that were created. you know, the argument goes like this -- we've been sending astronauts into space for 50 years, over 50 years. and so the technology's clearly mature. it's a question of whether or not a sustainable commercial market can be created and, you know, i think we're seeing some very exciting successes here just a few days ago. one of the commercial companies successfully operated or delivered the first cargo on an operational mission. the shuttle, you know, keeping the shut flying, that was parts of one of the options that we put together. that would have kept the shut flying through 2015 at a low
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rate, maybe one or two flights a year. would have complemented the commercial effort. i don't see a conflict. >> thank you very much. i'm sure you're very proud to see this moment as many americans are. you see people lined up on the street. but it's especially important to you because you have flown aboard this vessel. and we are proud of your service, as well. thank you very much for guiding us through this. >> well, thank you. >> all right. we're going to keep a box up on the screen. you'll see the live pictures throughout the broadcast of "endeavour" making its way. bit of a snag there trying to get to the museum there in los angeles. it may not be until 5:00 a.m. eastern time, even later than that beforit actually gets there. supposed to be there now. we'll keep you updated. thanks to casey winan and john zarrella. in an already strange political season, there's this -- >> ooh, ah -- >> all right. what is that?
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that is a political ad for nancy pelosi's opponent. we're talking about it next. 0ñ@Ñ
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saturday night wouldn't be the same without a visit from my friend anna navarro, cnn contributor and republican strategist. she always comes with an resign point of view. anna -- an original point of view. anna, there's a ton to talk about. a v.p. showdown, zombie ad targeting nancy pelosi. zombie, did i say that? yes.
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a romney endorsement that sparked a hateful twitter backlash. so much to choose from. let's start with the debate first. did joe biden's performance -- and it was a performance -- did his performance put pressure on president obama to perform at a certain level on tuesday night? >> no, don. president obama's first debate performance put pressure on president obama to debate -- to perform at a certain level on tuesday. if president obama's performance level doesn't improve in the second debate, i think his poll numbers are going to take an absolute dive. we've already seen that they've gone down as a result of the disastrous first debate. a disastrous second debate certainly would be a fatal blow. i think what joe biden's debate performance did was stop the bleeding and give obama, give president obama the chance to live to fight another day. >> you said stop the bleeding. what do you mean by that? there are different views about how he performed. >> there's a lot of different
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views, but we know he didn't abysmally lose the way president obama lost. some saw vice president biden win. some folks saw paul ryan win. i saw it as a draw. but i know the next day or after the debate we weren't all saying this was a horrific performance. that this had been an absolute loss by joe biden. by that i mean he stopped the bleeding. >> yeah. >> he at least did not go in and lose terribly. >> everyone -- see, the rst time everyone didn't agree that the president lost. there were partisan people who were saying -- and i think the poll numbers show, listen, the performance -- >> yes, people who will are overdosed -- >> yes. yes. >> don, it's people who were overdosing on partisan kool-aid. those of us who take a little truth serum, you know, saw his lose. >> and i feel the same way about joe biden. people didn't like his facial expressions, and i'll talk more
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about this later on, about the style. but the people i spoke to and the people i watched it with, they liked the candor, they liked that it wasn't canned. that it wasn't talking points. and they liked him for being him. same thing, people who aren't overdosing on partisanship. let's move on. i want to show this ad. it is almost halloween, of course, "the walking dead's" new premiere coming. i cannot wait. wait for this ad, a man running a long-shot campaign against nancy pelosi. brace yourself. [ thunder ] [ chanting ] [ animal sounds ] [ chanting ] >> wow.
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john dennis is his name. and he had him -- we had him on the show around two years ago i think, ana. have you ever seen a political ad like this at all? >> no, i haven't. but you know, don, we are 15 days away from halloween. and when you have no shot of winning, you can afford to go a little crazy. let me tell you this, don. i'm from miami where the zombies eat people. i'm not about to pick a fight with a zombie tonight. >> thank you. we ran out of time. we couldn't talk about the stacy dash story. that's been heating up the airwaves, as well. she got a big backlash on twitter when she backed mitt romney. >> which i think is very unfair. >> yeah. all right. thank you, we appreciate it. this is up next -- >> thank you, don. good night. >> good night.
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and the other debate -- the one you won't see anywhere else. two third party candidates snubbed by the establishment here to talk issues. and what's wrong with the right and the left? >> neither party's addressing them. they're broken.
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you've seen obama vs. romney and biden vs. ryan. tonight, a debate you won't see anywhere else. two presidential candidates not afraid to speak their minds about the issues that matter most. gary johnson, libertarian nominee, and jill stein, green party nominee. they weren't allowed in the debate so we brought them here to add their voices to the national discussion. we'll cover a lot of topics from the economy to social issue. but as third, even fourth party candidates, i decided to start with the obvious question, though -- why are you running? >> i'm running as a mother and a medical doctor really concerned about the direction we're going. and what propelled me into this
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race at this time, and i've been an activist for two decades really. people ask what kind of medicine i'm practicing, and i say political medicine because it's the mother of all illnesses. we got to fix this one in order to fix everything else that ails us. what propelled me into this race was when the president put medicare and social security on the chopping block as the solution to the debt ceiling crisis a year ago. so i'm basically in this to ensure that everyday people have a voice in this election and a choice at the polls that's not bought and paid for by wall street. and to ensure that we can puts forward the solutions the american people are clamoring for. >> that was a little bit longer than 30 seconds. i didn't give you the time. >> you didn't. >> we'll give gary a minute or so to do it. if you can do it in 30 seconds, gary. why do you feel you'd be best suited to run the country, and
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why are you running? >> well, i wouldn't be doing this if i didn't think i could do a really good job at being president of the united states. i've been an entrepreneur my entire life. two-term governor of new mexico, i think successfully at that. and the differences between myself and other candidates, look, let's not bomb iran, let's get out of afghanistan now. bring the troops home. i think that marriage equality is a constitutionally guaranteed right. let's end the drug wars, legalize marijuana now. i would have never signed the national defense authorization act. i would repeal the patriot act. i think that we need to balance the federal budget now, or we're going to find ourselves in a monetary collapse. and let's abolish the irs and eliminate income tax and corporate tax. we'll reboot the american economy tens of millions of jobs get created in a zero corporate tax rates environment. jill, starting with you, if you can stick to a minute, how would you fix the struggling economy? >> well, we think this doesn't need to be guesswork. we have experience creating jobs in the worst economy the country
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has ever known during the great depression. we created jobs by directly creating them, not by providing tax breaks for the wealthy or not by ending a tax system entirely which would basically turn the country over to the despair, the unemployment, you know, the problems that we have. we need government to step in where the private sector is unwilling and to see create jobs. >> same question -- unwilling and unable to create jobs. >> same question, gary, in one minute if you can do it. >> first we have to balance the federal budget. if we don't do, that we'll find ourselves in a monetary collapse, in a monetary collapse, simply, when the dollars we have don't buy a thing because of the accompanying inflation that goes along with borrowing money to the tune of 43 cents out of every dollar we spend. let's abolish the income tax, corporate tax. let's eliminate the irs. let's replace all of that with a one federal consumption tax. i am embracing the fair tax. i think that under a zero
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corporate tax rate environment if the private sector doesn't create tens of millions of jobs, i don't know what it takes to create tens of millions of jobs. because we would be bleeding non-transparent federal taxes out of all goods and services. it's really the answer when it comes to american exports. making us competitive with china. i see manufacturing jobs flocking back to the united states in a zero corporate tax rate environment. >> two presidential candidates, two fresh perspectives. and we're just getting started. ahead, gary and jill talk abortion, same-sex marriage, and drug legalization. you don't want to miss what they have to say about that.
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take a look at that picture. magnificent. this is our continuing coverage of the shuttle "endeavour's" final journey. we'll have it all hour here on cnn until 11:00 p.m. eastern. and beyond if necessary. it's making its final journey to the california science center. a bit of a snag earlier. they had to stop, cut down a
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tree. they've had to do this along the way. it is about three hours, maybe more, behind schedule, but it is making its way to the california science center in los angeles through the streets of l.a. right now. meantime, back to our discussion with libertarian gary johnson and the green party's jill stein. there are unconventional presidential candidates with some strong views on the issues. we just heard why they decided to run and their plans to rebuild the economy. now we turn our attention to the current two-party system. they don't like it. in case you're wondering, issues like abortion, always stirs the passions of american voters. that came up, as well. it's a presidential debate you haven't gotten to see until now. we'll call this a lightning round so to speak. let's talk about some of the issues here. social issues. where do you stand on abortion? miss stein? >> abortions are a component of reproductive health care which is a component of health care.
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>> okay. >> between a woman and her health care providers. >> mr. johnson? >> i absolutely support a woman's right to make the decision surrounding this issue. >> okay. mr. johnson, you have said that you would legalize marijuana, correct? >> yes. i think we're at a tipping 18:43:34:point on this issue. legalize it, tax it. 9 % of the drug problem -- 90% of the drug problem is prohibition related. ton discount the problems with use and abuse, but that should be the focus. >> we need to treat drug abuse and addiction as a public health problem not as a criminal problem. we need to legalize marijuana because it's a substance which is dangerous because it's illegal. it's not illegal on account of being dangerous. it's far less dangerous than alcohol and nicotine. >> miss stein, same-sex marriage? >> equal protection, all people are entitled to equality under
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the law. that means equal marriage, equal employment rights, equal housing rights, and access to education regardless of sexual preference, race, religion -- >> does that mean marriage? >> and ethnic identity. of course it includes marriage. yes. >> mr. johnson? >> yes, i think that marriage equality is a constitutionally guaranteed right on par with civil rights of the '60s. i do think that it is a federal issue because it comes under the constitution. and fundamentally, president of the united states, first tenet president of the united states govern under strict adherence to the u.s. constitution. >> okay. we have two minutes left. mr. johnson, do you believe the two-party system is broken? part of the reason we're doing this is both of you are not allowed to debate. there are no debates between you two. you're not included. do you think the two-party system is broken? how would you fix it? >> it's broken. obama and romney arguing over who's going to spend more money on medicare when medicare has to be cut. it's a benefit that we pay $30 into and get $100 benefit.
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by extension, we pay $30,000 into a benefit that we receive $100,000 benefit. it's absolutely not sustainable. sticking our heads in the sand on this and so many other issues, look, by extension, is the easter bunny, santa claus, the tooth fairy coming? i got news -- they're not coming. we got big issues, but we have to address them. neither party's addressing them, they're broken. >> miss stein, same question. i'll put it a different way. do you think that there's a monopoly on politics between democrats and republicans, between two parties? >> absolutely. and the distinctions between them are far too small. they want to debate the minutia of the tax code rather than the fact that we are giving away the store in trillions of tax break to the wealthy. in awards for oil we don't need. and in bailouts for wall street. and the free trade agreements which continue to offshore our jobs, undermine wages at home, that's not even in the discussion or the climate
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policies in which both parties have embraced drill, baby, drill, and obama has gone on to give the green light to fracking. and the stent debt that has made an entire generation essentially indentured servants who do not have a future. >> okay. we want to give everyone a voice here. those guys, as well. they're americans, they're running for president. they deserve to have a platform, as well, here on cnn. my thanks to green party candidate jill stein, libertarian gary johnson, important discussion. next -- >> the color of sex. blue states versus red states. in the bedroom, who's more fun? break out the wine and candles. p
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are republicans and democrats difference when it comes to sex? according to a study, they are. yes, there is a study on that and a book. human behavior expert, wendy walsh, joins us to explain the color of sex. red states versus blue states. are they different? >> yes, there absolutely is. okay, everybody, turn up the tv. here we go. this from a fabulous book called "premarital sex in america" by dr. mark regenvis from the university of texas. he has a chapters on red sex and blue sex. it's our mating strategies. basically, conservatives tend to marry earlier. they most often have sex within the confines of marriage except for evangelical teen girls because they have a high teenage pregnancy rate. besides that, they tend to have since they get married earlier,
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have sex earlier, have more kids earlier, they have lots of divorces and ultimately have more marriages. i don't mean to say that liberals -- >> you say ultimately have more marriage or more divorces? >> yes -- >> you meant divorces? >> well, more divorce and more marriages. both. >> liberals? >> so liberals have less time to have all those divorce because they delay marriage. because they have sex more often out of wedlock. more abortions. conservatives are more likely to have babies than have abortions. liberals actually have fewer divorces, but mainly because they're delaying it and don't have as much time to have all those marriages. >> what about swing states? >> of course swing states. we're going to have all kinds of interesting sex going on there. no, you want to know an interesting thing, don -- >> what? >> in online dating sites, did you know that political affiliation is the most -- least likely trait that someone will put in their political profile? less than 8% of the people do. when they do, they usually say independent. like they're afraid to showcase it.
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there's more chance that they will show their -- their body fat or bmi than their political affiliation when they're courting. just fascinating. >> even if they won't put it in there, is this something that important? should you know this before choosing a mate? does it make a difference, you think, that big a difference? >> well, did you know political affiliation is the most common shared trait among marital partners next to religion. so my thinking is that daters don't put it in the up-front advertising, on the online profile. but they suss it out by asking about gun control, abortion, et cetera, et cetera. >> right. okay, so what about families, marriages? we have like, you know, james carville and mary matalin. what about where they both were both parents, both people embrace different parties, does that happen a lot? and how do they resolve it? do they just live with it? >> well, it's really rare, actually. it's very rare.
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it's one of the most comn things that marital couples share, of course, is political affiliation. and it's been suggested that if couples don't start talking about this in the dating phase of their relationship, that they could be entering a rocky road. it's tough. especially if the conservative just wants to get divorced after that fight and the liberal doesn't. there seem to be more divorces. but the big question people always ask, don, is if liberals are having all these abortions supposedly -- >> are they going to become extinct? >> right, conservatives because they're having the baby, are they going to populate, affect the electorate? the answer is absolutely no. conservatives generally acquire their ranks through birth. but as people become educated and mobile, meaning that they move around the country to pursue careers, they get exposed to different lifestyles, become more educated, they become more liberal. so as a result, liberals acquire their folks mostly through conversion. they convert to liberalism. you're born a conservative. i like to say that some of the best liberals were born
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conservatives. >> wow. i've always -- often wondered why people get so passionate about politics because i'm not political. and now i see, it's sort of -- sort of in your genes, i would imagine. >> well, it's partly heritable it's in your genes a little bit. >> you know, we're talking about sex. thank you. >> all right. i'm probably telling you something you already know. zombies are every. they're on tv, in the streets, they're everywhere. i talked to one of the guys you can blame this on next. maybe farfetched, but don't
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maybe farfetched, but don't you dare call this fiction. zombies have taken over our world. "walking dead" returns for the third season tomorrow. a handful of human survivors are on the run from herds of zombies in the "walking dead." look at that. last year i got a firsthand look at the phenomenon that is "the walking dead." touring the set, i got to meet the cast. that's me there to the right before -- i got to meet the cast. that was frank there at the time. there i am. even the political arena isn't
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safe. house democratic leader nancy pelosi's republican challenger mark dennis featured this ad showing an animal sacrifice. what about the road sign hackings that are becoming so common in cities all across this country? warning -- zombies ahead! max brooks is author of "the zombie survival guide." an established author and tv writer in his own right. and you may have heard of his father, of course, mel brooks. so max brooks joins us now from los angeles. max, what's up with this fascination? i told you am fascinated by them. fascinated by "the walking dead" and "night of the living dead," movies, all of that. why are people who study zombies, they do it as if they are a scientific reality? >> well, i think if you're ready for a zombie plague, you're pretty much ready for a real natural disaster. there's nothing zombie-specific. so it's very empowering preparing for a zombie plague. >> very empowering.
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isn't there something beyond that? not just empower -- something that takes us out of the realm? and it's just plain old scary to think about someone who is alive but not alive and who can actually kill you. >> well, you know, zombies are big. they're -- a mega problem. it's not like one werewolf that you can run from. if there's a giant shark, don't go in the water. but zombies are a pandemic so to speak. and i think we've been facing since 9/11 just one massive global problem after another. so i think that's sorts of on everybody's brain right now. >> how did the 1968 film "night of the living dead" resurrects interest in zombies? >> that changed everything. george a. romero did for zombies what george lucas did for space movies. zombies used to be the haitian voodoo zombie. but george romero made it a global plague, flesh-eating pandemic which we now know as zombies. >> uh-huh.
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the cdc has jumped on board, warning people to be prepared for the zombie apocalypse. they admit it's tongue-in-cheek, but that's -- zombies don't really exist obviously. why even do this kind of campaign, max? >> because it's very smart. because it's actually getting kids preparing for natural disasters without even realizing it. i get asked all the time, do i have a zombie survival kit. yeah, the same earthquake kit i've had all my life. i live in southern california. what the cdc is doing is tricking kids into being prepared for anything. >> uh-huh. i told you in the commercial break that i went to the set of the "walking dead." they wouldn't make me a zombie. i don't think you're going to make me a zombie. i know another of your books, "world war z" is being made into a movie starring brad pitd. maybe there's hope for me. i don't know. >> yes. >> required reading for several colleges including the u.s.
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naval war college. my question is -- why do college students need to be aware of zombies? >> well, i think also because zombies are a global problem, i think in a way it's a great way of exploring globalization which i think is kind of a dirty word in an isolationist country like the united states. for the first time you have college students talking about global problems in an exciting way. it's not sort of boring economics or global trade. it's talking about zombies. so it's a great way of studying all these global problems in an entertaining, fun way. >> yeah. can you help me out? >> don, i went to the set of "world war z." i couldn't even get made into a zombie. good luck to us both. >> there's a facebook page called don lemon wants to be a zombie, petition. i will send it to your folks. i have to ask you why -- another kind of funny question. why do zombies move so slow? are there any fast zombies that
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can actually catch you? >> oh, yeah. there's been the fast zombie craze since the movie "28 days later." but for me, i like the slow zombies because it gives me time to think about how many ways i can die. i'm naturally a neurotic guy. i let that neurosis go when i'm chased by 1,000 slow zombies. like the tortoise and the hare but the rare gets eaten. >> give us tips for surviving zombies. i know you have some. >> take a deep breath and think. don't panic. your brain is your greatest weapon. you can think of creating a weapon and think of tactics, but you can't do any of that if you're completely submerged in panic. >> yeah. you can tell that i'm obsessed. we've given a lot of time to this. max brooks -- >> you're obsessed. >> i am. totally obsessed. i have to admit it. thank you very much. and thanks for indulging me. >> thank you, don. >> all right. there is, how do i say this
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hulk hogan's latest release is a sex tape. he says he didn't even know about it and didn't leak the tape. hogan says the woman was the wife of his best friend t time, and he was cool with it. earlier, i asked comedian dean obadal if he thought it was a stunt.
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first, here's how hulk hogan described the mess to howard stern. >> this is the worst thing that's ever happened to me. it's really turned my world upside down. >> well, i don't think it's a stunt. i think he had sex with that woman. what's this country coming to when an ex-professional wrestler can't have sex with his best friend's ex-wife and have it videotaped and not be on the internet? what kind of country are we getting to where you can't do this? the most bizarre thing to me honestly isn't the tape, it's the fact how it became to the public. his best friend's ex-employee was angry and uploaded it. >> i heard him saying, he was contrite like, you know, this is the worst thing to happen to me. and he's saying he doesn't actually know, he doesn't know who's behind the tape. according to the last interview earlier in the week on howard. here's -- i thought -- >> the worst thing he's been through? >> well -- >> has he never watched the film he's been in those are --
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>> that's a good question. >> acting -- >> that was a good question. howard had a similar take saying, listen, a number of people have had, you know, sex tapes that made them famous. obviously hulk didn't need to be made famous. take the money, embrace it. you weren't married, you were going through a divorce, the rules are different whether it's a guy. women have had sex tape, they've been okay. why shouldn't hulk just accept it? >> why not make sequels to it? "hulk 2," his -- he bragged about his 24-inch python. maybe he meant something else. we can only see it on the tape. sex tapes are commonplace in our society. embrace it, move on. have -- you know, he's already a wealthy guy. he's fine. >> yeah. it -- howard also asked, did you release this as a stunt. he said, no, way. why would i do this? some of his biggest fans are children, right? as a wrestler, he said, why would i do this to my image and reputation.
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by the way, when you said 24-inch pythons, you were talking about the size of his biceps. i want to get that clear. >> right. that was what he talked about all the time. >> yes. let's move on before you get us in trouble. we don't want the fcc problems -- >> not on at night, don. >> some say more than ever before, the left hates the right and the right hates the left. and, you know, maybe a country rocker and an oscar-winning actor can teach us to just all get along. >> at least i'm not a seal-clubbing confederate flag-waving oil horn chick-fil-a eating waterborne, nascar loving, cayman island bank account having, endangered species hunting, war mongering redneck, toothless wall street trogladyte. >> yeah, guess not. that's because you're basically --
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>> dang. all right. everybody in the studio is going, whoa. that -- that's psa's director saying they are trying to tear down political stereotypes. i don't know. does this do that for you, dean? what do you think? >> well, you watch the music video part, and they do have a sense of humor it it. i don't think this video -- about it. i don't think this video will get rid of the hyperpartisan world we're in. i have no idea what's going to solve it. if even a teeny step is caused by this in a positive manner, i think it's a great thing. if you watch the whole video, ten or eight minutes long, there are funny moments. they're having fun with the stereotypes. at the end, the point is, we're americans, we can disagree. we shouldn't view each other as enemies because someone's a conservative or liberal. we're all american. let's not forget that. that's the best part of the story. >> i get so sick of that. it's so crazy. people take it so seriously. and i think if you can inject a little humor as a comedian, you know, one must have a sense of humor about everything and not
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take things so seriously. thank you for that, comedian, as well. this is no joke, beautiful pictures that you're looking at now. there is "endeavour." it's the final journey through the streets of los angeles. live picture. and we'll go there live after this break. 0ñ@ñfÑ
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that is a sight. look at your tv now, look at these pictures. back to los angeles, a piece of american space history rolling toward its final destination. space shuttle "endeavour," of course, moving through the streets, city streets of los angeles. now it's -- its new home will be the california science center. our space guru, john czarallya, a few -- zarrella, a few feet from the shuttle. what's been going on? >> reporter: for hours we've been telling people it's coming, it's coming, and this of the second designated stop where they were going to have a celebration. and people waited patiently. and finally, finally after about five hours behind schedule because they had to trim trees all along the way, they had to move nimbly through tight areas, it took far longer than they had expected to get to this int. but all of these probably 15 to 20,000 people just in this one area alone, don, all waited patiently. and as soon as it turned the corner and came into view, they started cheering, and they started clapping.
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this is really, most people understood, a piece of history. what they're witnessing, they will never have an opportunities, they or their children, to see again. and "endeavour" stopped here now. >> why is it stop thursday? what's the deal? >> right now they're stopped for the celebration at this spot. >> this is -- >> once again, they'll have to reconfigure the vehicle with that final -- >> we had a snag an hour ago at the top of the show. stopped because of a tree. this one, this is the ceremony place. >> correct. >> listen, we have a couple seconds left here. some people don't understand why this is a proud moment because this is being retired. everything, all good things come to an end. this is a proud moment. >> no question. this is a piece of history. this was perhaps one of the greatest flying machines ever built. and in our lifetimes, no one is ever going to see a vehicle that was able to do the things that this one did.